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Posted By: ChrisRocks on 16-12-2009 20:15

Hi guys, I'm very new to the PUA scene.

I came out of a very serious and longterm relationship at the start of the year, and I've never really had a problem with finding and connecting with women of high value who I've been attracted to in the past, but most of my partners have been through random meetings from friends of friends, and I've never really been the type to approach a girl out of the blue.

So, I thought, why not try something different, and learn a couple of new skills.

I was lucky enough to get the head honcho Alex, who was very good at setting me at ease, and clearly was very passionate about what he does. He emphasised about how he didn't just accept sleazy guys who were after how to manipulate women, as he says "here at Art of Suave, we actually LOVE women". He seemed like a really decent friendly guy.

Day one included a meet and greet, and then an introduction to the course. Basically, the first session was all about just APPROACHING. For me, approach anxiety has always been a major issue when it comes to complete randoms, and was one of the things I really wanted to improve over the course of the bootcamp.

In the FIRST night, I think I probably opened up 15-20 sets. I was pretty nervous, but having Alex and his colleague Michelle around, they really pushed me out of my comfort zone, but in a supportive kinda way, just enough for me to get used to it all. I left that night, thinking, hey this isn't too hard, with a bit of practice, I could get used to it.

Day 2 included a shopping trip with Michelle, to pick up a few fashion tips. I'm pretty happy with my style in general, but picking up a few pointers re: accessories was pretty nifty.

After the shopping session, we settled in for more theory, about developing attraction and isolating women in night settings... again more interesting food for thought.

That night, I was actually a bit more nervous than the first night for some reason, and again Alex adapted the night session on the fly to tailor to my needs. He demoed beautifully to show me the possibilities, and then kept pushing me when I was starting to freeze up with AA. I don't think my second night was as successful as my first, but Alex was there with just the right words at the right time, and was supportive about what I had to do to improve.

The 3rd day was all about day game. I'd really recommend that you take this extra day, even if it is optional. It really opened my eyes to the possibilities of just meeting people anywhere and at any time. From the sounds of things, this was meant to be hard and challenging, but I actually found I took it in my stride. I managed to finally get a couple of numbers (even if one of them wasn't genuine), and can see how with practice, this all could work. Again, Alex was very supportive, and a font of knowledge.

Pros: excellent instructors, plenty of feedback, non-sleazy approach to approaching and attracting women, individually tailored to YOUR skill level

Cons: LOTS of written material, which you might feel a little overwhelemed by, but that's part and parcel of the whole PUA scene really.

Alex really CARES, and it shows. I'd highly recommend the course to anyone, and you can bet that I'll be taking a private lesson or two to improve my skills after a bit of practice on my own.

Posted By: Mustard on 14-01-2009 00:38

Hey,

I'm new to the whole PUA scene. I read 'The Game' in December 08 and did the 1st course I could get into in January 09.

Art Of Suave (AOS) guys know their shit. The 2 instructors were exceptional in the field, and Alex was a good teacher back at the office.

I came to the course wanting to get rid of AA. On the 1st night, once theory was finished, I opened 15 sets, including chicks that I would never have dreamed of talking with. I didn't get any numbers, but hey, i wasn't trying to either.

day 2 was filled with theory in the afternoon. In honesty, far too much to take in within 6 hours. The learning was put to the test @ night and low and behold, opened about 8 sets, and got 3 phone numbers. The numbers aren't going to go anywhere, but it was 3 more than I get last weekend, and the weekend before that, and come to think of it, the weekend before that, and.... yeh..

day 3- day game - hard. Wow - i sucked @ this. I opened about 15 sets but it was hard work. One number from 15 and a totally different approach to night game was learned. theory capped off day 3 and, with everyone exhausted from a weekend of learning PUA, gaining new friends, partying till 2:30am both nights and about 200 or so plus slides I called the AOS PUA weekend a success.

Pros - great instructors, equal waiting on gaming and theory, plenty of time to ask questions and in game live critiquing was very helpful.

Cons - Too much content and presented in text format almost exclusively. Needs fewer slides, more images, audio, movies to keep content moving and different.

Money well spent and I'll be taking privates afterward for refinement. See you guys in the field.

Mustard

Posted By: Timber on 05-01-2009 05:54

At first I wasn't sure about this whole thing, but decided to give it a try anyway. And I am SO glad that I did.

The instructors Alex and Brenton are really nice guys, they support you and push you when you need it. And they certainly know their stuff, first thing they did when we hit the town was show us how it is done... and it just blew my mind!

But what really blew my mind was my own results. I'm a pretty shy guy, who would never usually approach random girls. But almost all of the women I approached that night were very receptive to me, and I even got a phone number (and subsequently dates), which I had NEVER done before. And this was just on the first day.

I would say the only bad thing about the whole experience was that Alex teaches you so much info and skills that it's hard to remember all of it. But in the end it doesn't matter so much, because by the time you finish the bootcamp, your entire mindset has changed, you have seen what is possible, and your on your way to becoming a better man - I did this bootcamp several months ago, and I can say that my social life and love life has improved by leaps and bounds.

Posted By: Providence on 31-12-2008 15:17

Ok, I'm not a beginner. I've done multiple bootcamps from many companies throughout australia about 8 in fact and at this point I reccommend the art of suarve bootcamp above all the others. For 3 reasons.
One, they know's his stuff. I've seen him perform pickups and close harder sets that I failed on.
Two, you will get feedback on exactly where you went wrong.
Three, They work on results and understanding techniques.
No fluffy stuff or philosophical rubbish.

You will probably be doing things wrong you don't even know about. Your brain is your worst enemy.
Sometimes it takes another person to point it and correct your mistakes.

And it's a fun weekend.

Posted By: Andy on 16-12-2008 20:48

This is my first bootcamp and overall, I consider it to be time and money well spent.

First, my background:
I’ve lived most of my life as a regular average frustrated chump. Spent my teenage years playing computer games, getting picked on by other kids and was raised in a toxic family environment where parents were constantly putting pressure to do well in everything and shooting my confidence down when I don’t achieve.

I did poorly in relationships and went through long periods of being single without understanding why I either didn’t have the guts to talk to that cute girl or ending up in the Lets Just Be Friends Zone more often than I’d like.

About a year ago, I read a copy of ‘The Game’ and that opened a door of plausibility. I devoured as much as I could about the Mystery Method and the online seduction community but that was all theory and I found it difficult to bring to life the scripted openers and routines that I’ve read online. It did put everything I knew about interacting with women in a new light though, and I have since managed to run some form of game and gotten semi-lucky with a girlfriend now. However, the relationship isn’t the ideal one for me and I find myself still frustrated at my in-ability to consistently meet and attract the women I desire into my life.

I decided that a bootcamp was the best way to receive further instruction to put all these concepts into practice. I did some hunting around and decided on The Art of Suave group on the following factors:

1. This was a bootcamp locally run in Melbourne which charges reasonable prices compared with the extravagant price tag that comes with an international group
2. The bootcamp was spread over 3 days, giving enough time to cover almost 12hours of theory, 2 sessions of night game and 2 sessions of day game. This adds way much more value than other companies which have minimal theory and run most of their bootcamps in field.
3. The instructor to student ratio was good

I had my apprehensions, seeing that this company was relatively new and there were some testimonials to back them up on the advertised site. (By the way, I am a skeptic when it comes to online testimonials, it only too easy for anyone to create a website, call himself a dating expert and then posting fake testimonials to demonstrate their credibility)

Day 1
Once I met my instructors Alex and Brenton, I felt totally at ease. They exuded a warm steady aura of charismatic confidence about themselves and I felt they had passion behind what they were teaching.

The theory section of the bootcamp I was pretty familiar with, most of it was loosely based around the Mystery Method with most of the jargon from M3 stripped away to a simpler model. To a newbie, there is a lot of content to cover during the classroom sessions and it might be a bit too much to digest over a weekend. However, it was well presented on slides and participants had printed handouts to take notes on.

The most effective portion of the bootcamp I felt was the in-field training. We spent a little time in the classroom practicing body language and delivery of openers before heading out the first night. Along the way, I was encouraged to get into state by talking to strangers on the streets and halfway there, we saw 2 girls in a convertible stopping at the lights. Without hesitation, Alex ran up to them and opened them. We continued walking by and heard the girls giggling in the car; a minute later he ran back to us with the magical digits on his phone. That’s the first time I’ve seen someone number close a convertible!

At the bar, I was told to go in and open the first group I see without hesitation. I went in for 2 girls standing near the bar and delivered an opinion opener. Boom! I reached hook point and was in set with them. Somehow I always had this filter in my head that it just wasn’t socially normal to talk to strangers and kept worrying about irrelevant factors like what people thought of me and if I was being the creepy guy.

Brenton and Alex winged me that night and showed me that it really wasn’t that hard to open a group of people and engage them in conversation. As the night wore on, we worked the venue and I probably opened about 8-9 sets that night, more than I’ve ever done in a single night out. My instructors constantly gave hard and brutal feedback and I made in-field adjustments to my body language, energy level and tonality as I delivered my openers. Wherever I went, they were nearby checking that I was doing everything right, sometimes walking by and whispering a quick instruction or two. Where appropriate, they came into my sets and winged me, helping to engage the group while I worked on my target.

To prove that the opener doesn’t matter as much as how it’s delivered, I was given the instruction to open a seated 2 set with the word ‘Watermelon’.

I walked up with good body language, sat down while giving a cheeky grin and exclaimed: ‘Watermelon!’
‘I love watermelon!’

A few raised eyebrows were followed by a laugh… Bam! I was in and ran my seated 2 set.

There is a lot of bad press about the seduction community and how men use this as a means to ‘trick’ women into bed. However, seeing my 2 instructors in field, I realised that they had no malicious intent. They were simply having fun and brought value to each interaction with girls and guys. I witnessed closed off groups open up and warm up to them pretty quickly and girls’ were buzzing around them like there was some sort of invisible aura that attracted women to them. We ended the night shortly after 1am and had a quick debrief before parting ways.

Day 2
We started the day with an overview of the previous night before covering the theory of day game. Then Brenton took me out in field for a leisurely stroll around the city. We did approaches in stores, in the mall and in the supermarket. One crucial point of feedback I got was in day game; energy levels have to be dropped to 30percent of what they were in night game.
The in field component ended up with a review of what I did over coffee and casual chat to discuss any concerns or sticking points I had.
We spent the next 6 hours back in the classroom covering the main body of theory behind attraction, before breaking for dinner and heading out for another session of in field coaching at night.

This time I had Alex winging me and we worked the club opening sets left and right. Further fine tuning of body language and critical feedback ensured after each set. I was pushed hard again and again to expand out of my perceived comfort zone. At all points of the night, we always had women surrounding us and I was amazed at how Alex always held his audience captive with the grace and ease that only someone with a high level of social aptitude could.

Day 3
The final day of the bootcamp started out with a few hours of daygame. Alex was my instructor and we walked through the arts and crafts markets along the river and I learnt how to use of the environment around me as situational openers to kick off a conversation. Again, I was given critical feedback on body language and delivery of kino. He demonstrated how easy it was to strike up a conversation with just about anyone and everyone.
I opened 2 German girls browsing through a store and within 5 minutes, pulled in a nearby bystander as an assistant to take photos of us as we posed. We exchanged numbers and made a date to hang out while they were in town.
After running a few more sets, we went back to the classroom for a final debrief followed by a question and answer session.

Final thoughts:
I left that weekend with my perception of what I thought was possible blown out of the water. I have talked to more strangers and beautiful women this weekend than I could possibly have in the last few years and number closed 2 german girls on holiday.

These guys run this bootcamp with the specific intent on helping men improve themselves, in particular the area of male to female interactions. There was no seedy or deceptive material taught here to trick women into bed, but, more than anything, they showed us how to overcome the anxiety of approaching and gave us a framework as a guide to let the innate qualities we possess shine through our interactions and conversations with the women that we desire.

There was a sense of camaraderie by the conclusion of the bootcamp as I’ve developed a client/friend relationship with these guys. I liked the fact that they encourage all their past students to call them up anytime they had questions or a chat, even to meet up if we wanted to have a night out the town to practice what we’ve learnt.

Pros:
Lots of in depth theory
Lots of in-field training
Instructors were firm where required to push you into unfamiliar territory, but at the same time always patient and helpful in giving feedback and direction to overcome sticking points
Individualized training for each student as the instructors recognized that all of us have different needs
Cost of bootcamp is trivial compared to the skillset that you’ll take away for life

Cons:
It might be a little too much information for a newbie to the PU scene to digest; terminology might not make sense immediately
Ideally I’d like to have more practice on storytelling and how to create a great story with DHV spikes and integrate it into my routine stack.
Wished there was more hands on practice on delivery of openers, storytelling and body language in a class environment before heading out in-field.

Posted By: Brent on 16-12-2008 04:28

Having taken part in other programs I found that The Art of Suave programs had a lot of content to them. Over the course of the 3-days we had spent a number of hours in seminar going over techniques and theory we were then given the opportunity to practice in class on a female friend of Alex's where we could run through our constructed routines and receive on the spot feedback to ensure that before we went out we had our body language and approach down pat.

First time in field at night was slightly awkward at first and I hesitated in initially opening sets. However Alex was great in pushing me out of my comfort zone. Following each set Alex or one of his team would asses and breakdown all aspects of the approach and interaction before we proceeded to another set. This was also the case during the day which was more my seen, coffee shops, department stores, etc. I now notice the slightest things that previously I had overlooked or dismissed.

Overall I was very pleased with the program and would highly recommend it to other. Alex and his team knows what they are talking about and it was helpful to have it all presented in a very professional manner both in seminar and in-filed.

I would recommend this camp to anyone wanting to improve their dating and social life and want first hand experience and demonstrations from a great teacher.